What *should* happen:
Just like everyone can now login everywhere using something distributed like OpenID, there should be some open commenting interface defined. It can be implemented by each site separately with comments stored in their own system and displayed how they want (using threads, showing user icons, support moderation and points, whatever). But the interface is common. Who ever implements that interface makes their commenting system available to everyone.
Then, RSS feeds can include optional meta-data about which commenting server this feed uses and allows you to post comments directly from your RSS reader.
It also provides a link to view other people's comments.
How it *will* happen:
Everyone will move to facebook. Problem solved.
So what's your idea?
"Everyone will move to facebook."
cynical much? :)
btw, fav.or.it is a startup that's trying to do the whole open commenting system thing (among other things). their idea had a lot of potential but i think they messed up the implemetnation.
i'm going to do a post about my solution. it's a bit too elaborate for a comment.
cynical much? :)
I'm only partially joking there.
I know people who don't even send regular e-mail anymore. If they want to send you\tell you something they do it through Facebook's 'email' interface.
I'm hoping its just a fad, but you never know.
"I know people who don't even send regular e-mail anymore. If they want to send you\tell you something they do it through Facebook's 'email' interface."
and there's nothing wrong with that! i do it a lot.
"I'm hoping its just a fad, but you never know."
facebook is a fad? i just don't get you facebook haters. maybe you want nothing to do with it. that's your choice. but how can you not see that it's incredibly valuable to all the people who do use it? really, that's not your call. there are millions of people who can't live without it. doesn't sound like a fad to me.
I'm not a facebook hater, but I agree it's a fad. I think the general social networking framework it has will be around, but am willing to bet that the site itself will fizzle out after a while.
"but am willing to bet that the site itself will fizzle out after a while"
really? are you? how long do you give the site then? i'm actually willing to put money down if you're interested!
4 years for endangerment, 8 for extinction. I'll go as high as 50 bucks. :)
I may be in India by mid-Aug, but I'll get in touch if not.
you're on :) we need define those things at some point though.
i'm going to be there aug 8.
on a totally unrelated note, i'm visiting chicago for a day, second week of august. are you going to be around? want to meet up?
By 'fad' I was referring to sending messages to people via 'F-Mail' (ha) instead of just E-Mail which I find more convenient.
Maybe other people prefer logging into Facebook to check for messages from people instead of having it pushed to their mail client, but I'm not one of them.
Thats why I'm *hoping* its just a fad.
I do use Facebook occasionally and I don't hate it, though I was worried for a bit about everyone jumping to and exclusively using a closed system. (I'm not really that worried about that anymore).
>really, that's not your call
I don't even know where that came from.
sorry if i was being a jerk. i meet lots of people in real life who claim everything on facebook is pointless. i must have inadvertently clubbed you with them.
facebook does push messages to your email. before they did that, i agree that it made far less sense to use it.
Open ID is a good starting point.
If you dont care about spam, then the best way probably is to just allow anonymous commenting with name/website/email fields (blogger style).
Oh, and btw, folks who're subscribed to my RSS, come out and say hi once in a while :-)
i don't think that's a choice we have anymore, not caring about spam.
This is a very salient post. Along with lack of aggregation, it's a main reason I don't often visit friends' journals outside LJ.
But I don't have your RSS subscription. I just thought I'd say "Hi." anyway.
it happens to me too. no. of subscribers to my feed on GReader is about twice my LJ friend count. however, I get LOTS of comments from outsiders.
i just discovered one problem with LJ - i either allow all anonymous comments or I allow only people registered on LJ to comment. there is no option that allows people to comment using either LJ or openid.
as for commenting, most of my commenting happens on other LJs. I hardly comment on pieces I read through my GReader. maybe it's because it's only in LJ that i can track replies through email.
First of all: Hi!
Second: What a load of BS! I don't think the lack of comments from feed readers is due to unfamiliarity with the commenting system. I mean come on, it's just a text box! What kind of formatting? 99% of the time, plain text works just fine, thank you!
IMHO - or perhaps IMO - the reason feed readers don't comment is inertia; the context-switch involved in moving from the reader to the target site just to comment. You don't have that context-switch when using LJ to read friends' posts.
The solution then would be to do something along the lines of what haran proposed above.. a standard interface to allow commenting on items from within the feed reader itself. That will get more comments pouring in!
Another related anecdote: there are several feeds in my list, which use the Feedburner "# of comments" feed-flare. If I see that the # of comments is non-zero, then there is an increased likelihood that I'll actually visit the original post to read the comments. Of course, the minimum # of comments required to trigger a visit varies depending on the source of the post.
yeah, context switching plays a role too. i should have mentioned that. forgot. sorry.
but my reasons are just as valid. i've done some work on feed readers; i've studied this a little bit. but i'm not going to argue. you're free to think it's BS.
I'm interested in what you're thinking. Sign me up!
separate post coming, stay tuned :)
2008-06-29 01:29 am (UTC)
Did you used to teach at University of New Hampshire?
Maybe it's another Arvind N. but this is quite weird. I used to be in his HTML class 3 years ago. Thought that the class was a joke but then again, I was a moron back then. Never thought I'd find him to be on the cutting edge of Freindfeed technology. Nice work!
2008-06-29 03:00 am (UTC)
Re: Did you used to teach at University of New Hampshire?
ha ha, no, i'm a lowly grad student :)
are you talking about my friendfeed widget? if you think that's cutting edge, i hope you'll stick around to see some of the stuff i'm working on and haven't released yet!